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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284176 Archived-At: > Drew> If you want to continue to use only the init > Drew> file, just set `custom-file' to that file. > Drew> Or set a variable (TBD) to tell Emacs to never > Drew> load `custom-file' automatically. >=20 > Drew> If you want to change, to use only `custom-file' > Drew> for `custom*' stuff, move such settings from > Drew> your init file to your `custom-file'. (And yes, > Drew> we should have a command that does that moving.) >=20 > Making people who wish to retain long-standing behaviour set a > variable or edit a config file for something as fundamental as loading > and saving customizations is not something I would want, ever. The > *only* case I can see where we could set custom-file to eg > ~/.emacs.d/custom.el (and maybe load it automatically) is for people > with no customizations. It sounds like what you're really saying is that you don't want Emacs to use `custom-file' for Custom stuff, by default. The advantages, for the great majority of users, and in particular for new users, vastly outweigh the inconvenience to anyone who _really_ wants to keep things as they are for themselves. They/you need only (setq custom-file THE-INIT-FILE). They could always have done that. And it's always been essentially a no-op in similar situations - see _function_ `custom-file', which is used by `custom-save-all'.