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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273172 Archived-At: Shiny new toy syndrome. Even if not really so new. (Not at all saying you're infected, Tim. Just saying it's out there, endemic here & there, if not yet pandemic.) > The problem with that argument is that it doesn't explain the behaviour > of young adults and teenagers. Nobody has 'nudged' them to move away > from email - they were never into it. It simply isn't a communication > medium they are interested in. For them, it is about IM, instagram, > tiktok etc. Some of it is because of marketing, a lot of it is because > of peer influences. Regardless, email is of no interest to them. They're already pwned, lock, stock, and barrel. Even seemingly self-determined "peer influence" is influenced - by the same pwners. That's what they do. And the pwnees _are_ (actively) "nudged" - to stay pwned. They're even led to proudly show off their guilded, fools-gold ankle bracelets. > ... this largely pre-dates the drive to move away from email. > Email, regardless how it is provided, is a problem for companies. It is > a major source of security problem, it is a nightmare for records > management, policy and regulation compliance and a major impediment in > business workflow automation. While I doubt any company will stop using > email completely, they are definitely moving way from having it as a key > technology in their business processes. Sure. Compliance is a headache. History and its footprints are a bother. Being able to go back and see who did and said what is, well, something that some would rather evade/avoid. > The problems with email for business are real. While lots of companies > are pushing their alternative solutions for various reasons, it doesn't > remove the reality that it fails for business on many levels. That just means that email isn't the answer to every problem. The Message is not The Messiah. > the key point to note is that I don't think anyone is saying we need to > get rid of the email based stuff we currently have - what people are > asking for is to have an alternative interface..., not instead of. Additional interfaces/UXes, yes. > Arguments about one being better than the other are pointless Pointing out relevant, relative advantages isn't pointless. Not if there's a chance of that "instead of". And even if there's no such chance, it's not pointless because it can affect design of alternatives to fit together with an email interface. > What people are asking for is support for a > broader set of preferences. I think so, and I hope for that to happen.