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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288383 Archived-At: > > The purpose of the `cl-' prefix is so that we don't need to describe > > those Common Lisp functions in the manual. That is for functions > > whose reason for existence in Emacs Lisp is compatibility. >=20 > That might have been the initial purpose, but there are already things > with that prefix which are not only for compatibility. For example, > cl-letf, which isn't actually anywhere in CL but only in Elisp! Yes, and FWIW, I (at least) complained about that when it (and similar non-CL things) were added to cl*.el. I see (and got) no good reason for that. > > When a function exists for other reasons, we should describe it > > in the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual so that users can find it. > > Giving it the`cl-' prefix is unnecessary and confusing. > > Let's define it without a prefix. >=20 > If the functions were to be moved to subr-x, then they wouldn't get an > entry in that manual, though. Things that are not Common-Lisp emulation don't belong in the cl*.el files, and they shouldn't be documented in the CL manual. IMHO.