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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321201 Archived-At: > > I'm going to ask a dangerous question: do people use the existing > > bindings for "C-x " and "C-x "? >=20 > That's next-buffer and previous-buffer. No, I don't use them, mainly > through not being aware of them. They could come in handy, though, when > looking at N buffers in M windows, with M < N. I've been in that > position quite a lot in the last few months. >=20 > Why do we not have next-buffer-other-window and > previous-buffer-other-window? Why don't we have > ....-other-frame? In my 40 years of using Emacs, I don't think I've ever used `next-buffer' and the like. I use `C-x b' (or `C-x 4 b' or `C-x 5 b') and `M-n' or `M-p'. As a bonus, the prompt tells me what the buffer will be. I'm happy to see that `mouse-1' and `mouse-3' on the current buffer name in a mode-line do the previous and next buffer things, by default. That's especially good for newbies, I imagine. But I have no need for the `C-x' followed by arrow-key bindings. That said, I'm not suggesting we bind those keys to something else. (I wouldn't mind if they were "liberated" to the No-Default Free List, however.)