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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
	Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com>
Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"stefankangas@gmail.com" <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:17:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548841DFED67D83851EA82BDF34D9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r19k6imi.fsf@gmail.com>

>DA>> My preference is for #3: we just bite the bullet
>DA>> and nudge users helpfully toward using a separate file.
> 
>Pedro> +1
> 
>PL>> It would work to make every one of these forms
>PL>> set a flag when they are loaded.
> 
>Pedro> Doesn't that go a bit too far? Other proposals
>Pedro> don't depend on modifying custom-*
> 
> If you want to detect whether the user has custom-set-variables or
> custom-set-faces in their init file, youʼre going to have to modify
> their code. The issue is whether weʼd need to do it for *all* of these
> function. Personally I think that would be excessive.

I agree.  (And such a flag being set is no
guarantee that the new state whose change it
intends to record remains in effect.)

And none of that is necessary.  The aim should
just be to make more users aware of `custom-file'
and hopefully get more users to make use of it.
Especially new users.

And to give existing users who might have (very)
special needs or strong feelings of resistance
to using a separate file a simple (trivial) way
to continue using only their init file.

Both of those aims are easily realizable.  Just
default `custom-file' to some agreed on location,
and let the few users who want to remain with
just their init file set `custom-file' to it.

All the rest is sound & fury, signifying nothing.

Emacs should just use `custom-file' by default.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-07 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-03  6:13 Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-03 14:47 ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04  6:13   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-04  6:45     ` tomas
2022-01-04  7:29       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-04 10:10         ` tomas
2022-01-04 16:44           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-04 17:09             ` tomas
2022-01-04 17:30               ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 18:03                 ` tomas
2022-01-04 18:27                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 18:41                     ` tomas
2022-01-05  9:14                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-04 16:44       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04  7:14     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-04 10:11       ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04 10:30         ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 10:46           ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04 10:59             ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 13:02               ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04 11:11         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-04 12:23           ` LdBeth
2022-01-04 16:44         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-04 13:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-04 15:17         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-04 15:48           ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04 15:57             ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-04 15:54           ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-04 16:44         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-04 16:49           ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04 17:14             ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 17:32               ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-04 17:45                 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 17:55                 ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-04 18:24                   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-04 17:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-04 17:35               ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-04 17:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-04 17:57                   ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-05  9:14                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-05  1:01             ` Po Lu
2022-01-05  7:03               ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-05  7:10                 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-05  7:22                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-05  7:47                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  7:59                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-05  9:17                       ` LdBeth
2022-01-05  9:26                         ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-05 10:54                           ` Colin Baxter 😺
2022-01-05 11:24                             ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 11:45                             ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-05 12:09                               ` Colin Baxter 😺
2022-01-05 13:04                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 19:10                                 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 19:02                               ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05 19:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-05 19:36                                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  9:35                         ` Po Lu
2022-01-05  9:58                           ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-05 10:58                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-05 12:09                           ` LdBeth
2022-01-05 12:57                             ` Po Lu
2022-01-05 13:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-05 15:58                           ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-06  0:37                             ` Po Lu
2022-01-06  7:21                               ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-06  7:23                                 ` Po Lu
2022-01-06  7:33                                   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-06  7:39                                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-06  8:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-06  9:40                                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-06  9:45                                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-06 12:28                                         ` Colin Baxter 😺
2022-01-06 17:20                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-06 17:19                                     ` Drew Adams
2022-01-06 20:11                                       ` Tim Cross
2022-01-06 22:09                                         ` Drew Adams
2022-01-06 22:33                                           ` Tim Cross
2022-01-07  4:05                                             ` Drew Adams
2022-01-07  7:13                                               ` Tim Cross
2022-01-07 17:18                                                 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-08  0:29                                                   ` Tim Cross
2022-01-10 22:01                                                     ` Drew Adams
2022-01-11  6:23                                                       ` Tim Cross
2022-01-11 12:01                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-11 12:10                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-11 12:25                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-11 12:42                                                               ` tomas
     [not found]                                                                 ` <dbc302f1-a769-24d4-294d-e291b015229b@mnet-mail.de>
     [not found]                                                                   ` <Yd2W5BaccjjbJ6+q@tuxteam.de>
2022-01-11 15:23                                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]                                                                       ` <Yd2kAPRoYd37qCaN@tuxteam.de>
2022-01-11 16:05                                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-11 16:11                                                                           ` tomas
2022-01-12  0:46                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-11 12:35                                                           ` Tim Cross
2022-01-11 15:05                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-11 20:57                                                               ` Tim Cross
2022-01-11 13:27                                                           ` Jean Louis
2022-01-07  0:52                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-07  4:09                                             ` Drew Adams
2022-01-07  4:46                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-07  5:58                                                 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-07  7:04                                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-07 18:06                                                     ` Drew Adams
2022-01-08  0:54                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-08  3:13                                                         ` LdBeth
2022-01-08  3:26                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-08  7:19                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-08 13:32                                                             ` Add list of useful settings to setup wizard was: Re: Default custom file LdBeth
2022-01-08 14:12                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-08 14:50                                                                 ` LdBeth
2022-01-08 14:39                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-08 15:30                                                                 ` LdBeth
2022-01-08 15:05                                                               ` John Yates
2022-01-08  8:03                                                         ` [External] : Re: Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA tomas
2022-01-08  9:38                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-08 10:39                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 11:14                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-08 12:35                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 12:44                                                                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-08 12:59                                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 13:16                                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-08 13:24                                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 13:33                                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-08 13:44                                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 14:32                                                                               ` tomas
2022-01-08 14:46                                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 17:17                                                                                   ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-08 18:26                                                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <MtgbBbx--B-2@tutanota.de>
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <MtqtDSN--3-2@tutanota.de>
2022-01-20 14:25                                                                                           ` Corwin Brust
2022-01-10 19:20                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-09  0:48                                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-01-08 13:35                                                                           ` =?gb18030?B?u9i4tKO6IFtFeHRlcm5hbF0gOiBSZTogRGVmYXVsdCBjdXN0b20gZmlsZSB3YXM6IFJlOiBQcm9wb3NlIHRvIGFkZCBzZXR1cC13aXphcmQuZWwgdG8gRUxQQQ==?= =?gb18030?B?emVyb2xlZQ==?=
2022-01-08 14:28                                                                       ` [External] : Re: Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA tomas
2022-01-08 14:48                                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-08 11:42                                                               ` tomas
2022-01-08 12:28                                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-10 19:17                                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-10 22:02                                                         ` Drew Adams
2022-01-12  4:55                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-12  8:58                                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-12 13:18                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-12  5:09                                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-07  0:49                                       ` Po Lu
2022-01-07  4:09                                         ` Drew Adams
2022-01-07  4:42                                           ` Po Lu
2022-01-07  6:38                                             ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-07  8:43                                               ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-07  9:38                                                 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-01-07 17:17                                                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-01-07 17:12                                               ` Drew Adams
2022-01-06 17:19                                   ` Drew Adams
2022-01-07  0:48                                     ` Po Lu
2022-01-07  4:09                                       ` Drew Adams
2022-01-07  6:18                                         ` tomas
2022-01-07 18:06                                           ` Drew Adams
2022-01-06 16:17                                 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-05  7:43                 ` Drew Adams
2022-01-04 16:43     ` Drew Adams

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