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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311170 Archived-At: > > * lisp/ls-lisp.el (ls-lisp-verbosity): Add `modes' on GNU and > > Unix systems. > > (ls-lisp-format): When `modes' is not in `ls-lisp-verbosity', > > retain only the first character of `drwxrwxrwx'. >=20 > I have much more serious issues with this change: it is an > incompatible change in a long-standing behavior, which AFAIR was never > discussed. Worse, it loses information: files that are read-only > (something that _is_ supported on Windows) are no longer marked as > unwritable, and executable files (not marked as such in the > filesystem, but still a clearly existing attribute that we support) is > not shown as such, either. >=20 > I think if anything, this should (a) show 3-4 letters instead of just > d or dash, i.e. drwx for a writable directory, -r-- for read-only > files, -rwx for writable and executable files, etc; and (b) be an > opt-in behavior, i.e. we need a new defcustom for it. In its current > form, this change is not acceptable, sorry (and neither is the way of > installing it without any discussion). +1. Please don't mess with the longstanding Dired behavior showing file permissions. That will screw up habits and font-locking. For the most part, `ls-lisp' tries to match what `ls' produces on, say, GNU/Linux - a feature, not a bug. If someone wants to provide a minor mode that does something different, that's a different story. But the default, longstanding behavior of `ls-lisp' in this regard should be kept/respected.