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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>,
	xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
	<emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Platform independent graphical display for Emacs
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 05:24:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54881C1980A4189DEB5444FDF37F9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=9uRsyPydz11etgwewFyDSL8OCwWbf4FD=0+ns9GZ6DQ@mail.gmail.com>

> >> FWIW, I think it would be highly preferable if Emacs
> >> could look and behave the same across all platforms.
> >
> > OK, why do you think that would be highly preferable?
> 
> I don't think that what we do necessarily translates very well to the
> widgets provided by common toolkits.  For example, the mode line is not
> rendered by a toolkit.  OTOH, I can see plenty of benefits with doing
> things ourselves.

I see that you changed the topic (and the Subject line).
OK.

What you had said was that it's preferable for Emacs to
have the same look & feel across all platforms.  That's
what I responded to, with questions about that.

Now you're talking about the question of Emacs itself
implementing things, instead of relying on toolkits
etc.  That's not the same proposal/question.

Assuming Emacs dev provided everything, without relying
on toolkits etc. provided by/for particular platforms
etc., why would it be highly preferable for Emacs to
provide only one look and behavior across all platforms?

I ask about "only one", because, as I said, _allowing_
for the same everywhere is one thing.  _Not allowing_
for any differences is a different thing.

If the aim is to limit Emacs behavior to be only what
can be made available to all platforms (lowest common
denominator), then I think that would be unfortunate
(too limiting, for no particular gain).

IIUC, one explicit aim is to have GNU/Linux be the
most feature-full, out of the box.  Emacs doesn't
pursue development that's only for MS Windows, for
example.  But nothing currently limits Emacs to
providing only behavior that works on all platforms.
___

As for what you're talking about now: I don't have
a problem with that.  If Emacs develops improved
tooltips, dialog boxes, menus, or whatever, so much
the better.  I'm assuming that there's no policy
road-block in the way of that, and that all that's
perhaps lacking is enough volunteer energy.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-24  5:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-22 19:19 Motif support xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 19:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:24   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:58       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:46           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:52             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:43               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 17:35                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24  0:38                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:17                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  1:24                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:37                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:06                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:24                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  8:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  2:20                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  2:43                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  2:59                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-12-24  3:17                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  3:26                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  3:36                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:27                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  4:30                               ` Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  4:44                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  6:28                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  6:43                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  5:24                                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-12-24  7:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:10                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:41                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:48                                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25  0:30                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25  7:25                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 11:23                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 11:38                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 11:57                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 12:06                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:59                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:06                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:08                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:36                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 12:20                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 12:29                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 12:54                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:03                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:07                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:09                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 13:20                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 14:08                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 14:36                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 13:39                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:44                                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 12:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 13:00                                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 13:05                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 13:11                                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 13:17                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 13:26                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 13:27                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 11:51                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:24                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:31                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 14:14                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 14:30                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-26  1:12                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26  1:51                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26  1:56                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  9:55                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-24 10:02                                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 10:16                                   ` Stephen Berman
2021-12-24 10:54                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 11:07                                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:29                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 11:31                                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:39                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 12:08                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 12:22                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 12:27                                                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 12:57                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 13:09                                                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 14:27                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 16:05                                                         ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25  0:22                                                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  9:18                                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25  9:42                                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-26  8:25                                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-12-26 10:16                                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:45                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 12:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 13:19                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 13:26                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 14:00                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25  0:20                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  0:47                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25  0:57                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  3:24                                           ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-25  5:03                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  5:12                                               ` Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-25  5:23                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  6:57                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25  9:18                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25  5:41                                             ` LdBeth
2021-12-25  5:51                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 13:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 14:19                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 11:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:45                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:17                         ` Motif support Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:46                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 15:05   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 15:08     ` Eli Zaretskii

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