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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273827 Archived-At: > > Con: It's not the same thing. The `kill-ring' > > is not what non-emacsers are used to. >=20 > [ This is all very hypothetical, so it clearly doesn't matter, but IMO > the difference is small enough not to matter when it comes to > choosing this key binding, IMO. ] It's a matter of opinion, yes. It's a bit like undo. Emacs's undo is similar at first sight to what people are used to, but "it's not the same thing". Possibly confusing, misleading. But no, not the end of the world. > > This is similar to the pros & cons for words > > in different languages that look the same or > > similar, and may (or may not) have similar > > meanings and uses, but can nevertheless be > > quite different in some respects. > > > > In French they're called "faux amis" - fake > > friends. >=20 > Nope. "Faux amis" are words whose core meanings > are just plain different,=20 Yes and no. How dissimilar the meanings are ("core" or not) points to _how_ false the friend is. The point is that there's a difference, at least in some contexts, and that difference is hidden from the person fooled - a gotcha. It's the similarity together with the difference, and not being aware of the difference, that makes for a faux ami. It's about that ignorance and the resultant "gotcha!" It's not about how close the core meanings are. But yes, the stronger the difference in meaning, the more the friends are false. And there are all sorts - some of which are very false, and some of which are quite similar but differ in usage or connotation in at least some contexts, perhaps contexts that can be important. That context relevance happens especially for more recent loan words than for words taken up by English from French in the 12th century. It's common, for instance, for the borrowing language to give the borrowed word a meaning with a narrower scope, when it already has words for the wider-scope meaning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_friend "As well as producing _completely false_ friends, the use of loanwords often results in the use of a word in a restricted context, which may then develop new meanings not found in the original language." =20 > `C-x` for "Cut" has been standard for a lot more than a decade. Yes, and? `C-w' has been standard in Emacs for longer than "Cut" has existed. Anyway, I won't argue about `C-x' (or `C-w'). I don't see Emacs moving `C-x', but hey, I've been wrong before...