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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307070 Archived-At: Konstantin Kharlamov writes: > On Mon, 2023-06-19 at 21:50 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > From: David Masterson >> > >> > Would you say that Emacs still has development practices from the >> > 80s/90s that, given the chance and newer toolsets, you could see being >> > done differently and better? >> >> What are "development practices from the 80s/90s"? > > I would abstain from answering this question, because this will turn into a > completely useless flamewar. I think I understand his question and I'm not going to answer it like I know better -- he's been much more embedded in Emacs development than me. -- David Masterson