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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265197 Archived-At: > > OK, interesting. Here it doesn't. > > MS Windows 10 > > Emacs 23 through 27.1 > > emacs -Q > > > > `mark-even-if-inactive' =3D t > > (default in Emacs 23 and later) >=20 > Are you sure you have no mark? No, there's a mark. (I guess just from defining the command or invoking it.) But even if `mark-even-if-inactive' is nil, the region _exists_, no? The doc string of `mark-even-if-inactive' doesn't actually say what the behavior is when nil. It says only that if NON-nil then "you can use the mark" even when inactive. A guess is that if nil then you CANNOT use the mark when inactive. But what does "use the mark" really mean, here? The region exists, even when that var is nil, no? The region (and mark) just might not be _active_. But if you ever had a mark in that buffer then the region _exists_. And the doc for `interactive' code `r' says nothing about activity - it just says that `r' returns point and mark. I see that the Elisp manual does say that an error is raised for `r' if the mark is not SET. But even the manual says nothing about what `r' does for an inactive region/mark.