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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265487 Archived-At: > If transient is included in Emacs core, that would be a good reason for > me to consider moving one of my packages This. A 3rd-party library is (much) more likely to make use of something t= hat's part of Emacs than it is to provide code that hard-code depends on an= external library.