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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266811 Archived-At: > Obviously, I'm not proposing this just to leave the that key unused. Oh, but I wish that _were_ the proposal... Unused AND with an intention not to bind it by default at all. If we can remove preloading of facemenu or whatever then why can't we remove this or that default binding? Post the change in NEWS, with the code to reenable it for anyone who needs it: (global-set-key ...). I'm in favor of freeing up `C-o' for preferential use by 3rd-party code (e.g. as a prefix key or a repeating command or ...). I sympathize with anyone who has a longstanding habit of using some key that's been bound by default. But nothing is easier for a user than binding such a key. Voila. You asked for opinions. Apologies to all who objected to the proposed change for other/opposite reasons. My objection is not to removal of the existing binding; it's to binding `C-o' in some other default way. Just unbind it and declare Emacs's intention, at least for the foreseeable future, to not bind it by default. Give it up to 3rd-party code, unless/until Emacs really gets a screaming/important need to bind it by default.