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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264535 Archived-At: > The proposal is only to create a key space in which > third party packages could automatically create global > key bindings, without conflicting with Emacs core (that > is, without rebinding any key bound in vanilla Emacs) > and without conflicting with users' personal settings. No, your proposal was not _only_ to do that. _My_ proposal was to do that, and to do it for keys that are not already bound by default - just reserve those for 3rd-party code. _Your_ proposal was to change some key that already has a default binding, and give it -- and ONLY it -- to 3rd-party libraries as a prefix key. ___ The _problem_ is indeed encroaching Emacs default key bindings narrowing the usable keyspace for 3rd-party code. The best _solution_, which requires _NO_ discussion of sacrificing this or that key already bound by default, is to declare a moratorium on Emacs grabbing any more _unbound_ keys by default (modulo possible important exceptions, which would invite discussion and then decision by maintainers). Unfortunately, by you tossing your counter-proposal into the ring, we've, quite predictably, gone down the rabbit hole of my-key vs your-key, this-key vs that-key. There's no reason, in order to reserve keys for 3rd-party use, to start by sacrificing _any_ keys from those bound by default. Not even one. Not this one. Not that one. Not one.