From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help'
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 02:37:22 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB4474340EF63DA451DD8E9807F36D9@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnW+W81kgf6wKtvR=zLmAHOKO+bpVyU_N_qX=3-UitcEg@mail.gmail.com>
> https://i.imgur.com/Cv67yUN.png
There are no doubt other things to be said about this.
But for one thing, IMO:
It's not helpful to provide short descriptions
(OK) but no links to the help for each key (KO).
We have that help; we can link to it; but you
choose not to. Why?
Coloring the keys, especially in a context
where they're well separated from the other
text, helps nothing.
It actually hurts - it can give the impression
there's something going on there - e.g., a link
or a button. You even chose blue (like a link)
and a box (like a button). If ever there was
gratuitous - even misleading - coloring, this
is it.
(I'm assuming those colored keys are not links.
If they are links, then they should appear like
other links in Emacs.)
It's not hard or tricky to put links on keys.
You prefer your action-less coloring. A pity.
So be it.
Is this the way we are going to show keys in
*Help* from now on - boxed blue text? I, for
one, hope not. Even aside from the coloring
being gratuitous and misleading, it also makes
the keys more difficult to read. A trifecta.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-14 2:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-21 12:06 Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 16:46 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 17:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 18:17 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-21 17:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 18:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 19:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 1:40 ` Consistent face for keys in *Help* and `substitute-command-keys' Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 2:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-24 4:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 22:01 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-25 1:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 6:43 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-25 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 16:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 14:00 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-24 16:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 19:09 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-25 2:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 14:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-24 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 2:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 16:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 18:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 19:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 20:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04 6:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-04 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 16:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-05 17:07 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-05 17:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-06 17:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 17:39 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-05 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 19:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-05 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 20:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-05 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 21:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06 16:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 17:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 3:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-07 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 7:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-07 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 9:17 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-08 11:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 17:43 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-10 1:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-10 17:16 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-10 19:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-10 19:50 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-10 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 0:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 13:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 14:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 14:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-13 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 15:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 0:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-15 9:19 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-16 2:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-16 23:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-08 15:39 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-08 16:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 17:43 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-09 7:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-09 9:05 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-25 19:14 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-25 19:44 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-24 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 1:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 17:45 ` Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 18:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 18:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 20:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 23:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-22 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 16:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-14 2:37 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-03-14 23:05 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-14 23:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-15 1:54 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-07 15:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-07 22:54 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-08 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 12:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 13:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 17:16 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-08 22:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-09 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 14:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-08 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-08 15:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-08 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 15:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-08 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 17:55 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-09 15:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 18:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-08 23:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 23:35 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-08 23:41 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-07 16:42 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 18:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 19:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 22:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 23:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-08 12:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 19:55 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-24 13:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-24 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-24 16:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-24 23:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 9:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 10:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 11:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 16:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-25 10:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 10:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 11:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 15:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 17:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-30 20:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 20:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-30 22:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-02 10:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-05-02 18:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 17:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 12:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-25 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 16:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-25 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-25 13:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:32 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-25 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 11:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 15:47 ` DEL vs Backspace (was: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help') Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 16:49 ` DEL vs Backspace Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 17:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-26 0:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-26 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-26 11:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-26 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-04-27 20:56 ` Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Stefan Kangas
2021-04-27 23:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-24 17:18 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-24 20:32 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-25 10:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 17:56 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-07 18:21 ` John Yates
2021-04-07 22:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 22:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 23:15 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-08 12:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 19:27 ` Howard Melman
2021-02-22 15:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-22 10:01 ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-22 15:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 15:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 15:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 18:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 14:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
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