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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264943 Archived-At: > > Of course I guessed that the "my stats dept" > > part of Lars's post was cute, a joke. But I > > didn't guess that his 97% was also a joke. >=20 > Yes, it was. But now I've done some mark-ups, so I can actually have > my stats dept. do some stats... >=20 > In gnus/*.el, there's 1018 interactive commands. Of those, > I've tagged 660 interactive commands as being mode-specific. >=20 > In eww, there 44 interactive commands, 34 are marked as being > mode-specific. So it's about 50-75%. Only for two libraries (gnus and eww). That doesn't tell us much - a sample of 2. I still have my hunch - but will gladly be proven wrong. I'll gladly be proven wrong, and so know the truth. But I won't be glad to _be_ wrong about this. It doesn't seem right that most commands would - or should - be mode-specific. I'd also be interested in knowing what differences there are, if any, between major and minor modes, in this regard. ___ FWIW: I just counted, for Bookmark+ commands: 24.6% of the total are specific to the bookmark-list buffer, and so to its mode. An additional 2 bookmark commands (out of the 665 total) are also mode-specific, for Info mode and grep mode, respectively. All the rest (>75%) are not specific to any mode - you can use them in any mode, anywhere. I won't bother to try counting my other libraries. My code might not be typical, of course. But I still am curious about the general case. Can you provide more than a sample of just 2 libraries? And if you can, do you think that 3rd-party code is likely, or unlikely, to follow the same pattern (and why)?