From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ndame Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:25:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: ndame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="50072"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?UTF-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= , Richard Stallman , Ahmed Khanzada , "joseph.h.garvin@gmail.com" , "stefan@marxist.se" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , "eliz@gnu.org" , "drew.adams@oracle.com" To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 10:26:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ5H8-000CvL-T6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:26:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39174 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ5H8-00047h-00 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ5Ge-0003YV-Kq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:25:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ5Ge-0002Wg-37 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:25:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.132]:29094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ5Gb-0002Tq-VR; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:25:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1587284726; bh=KWmWwirK5OX7DH4XxO7UK8qOaxKJ+MQhCbePAMAdJ8Q=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=vXcIucJz8Ap2lAq/ay8w6GRXc1cCi259xNVgB8azrws+QpTdy/xS7y+Hf8MNuPMnv p5LrtmFBRwQ5JVwHodSqexBu9cPLlv/UQVHjo1Sy74Ja71I4veT6JNw5FDfMCa8dS8 jymPTkC8BHsfSXAvF2puu4YmdLHLKcluvEHjV07M= In-Reply-To: <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.132; envelope-from=ndame@protonmail.com; helo=mail-40132.protonmail.ch X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.70.40.132 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247302 Archived-At: > > > Yes, these changes should be clearly marked in NEWS, so those who don't= want > > them, can revert them. > > Massive features that drastically change behaviour should be off by > default. Stability over users. What's wrong with a button on the fancy > splash screen? A button can work too. Or if emacs is started with no config file then it c= an ask "Are you using Emacs for the first time?" If the user says yes then it can offer to set some convenience features like CUA mode. And if the user says no then everything is as usual.