From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 21.2.90 pretest, 21.3, 21.4... Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:13:33 +0200 (IST) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20021105213749.5845.LEKTU@terra.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1036564517 29286 80.91.224.249 (6 Nov 2002 06:35:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189JmS-0007bj-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:35:12 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 189Juo-0001Lv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:43:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 189Jf0-0006JZ-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:27:30 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 189JRa-00053A-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:13:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 189JRX-00052h-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:13:37 -0500 Original-Received: from is.elta.co.il ([199.203.121.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 189JRW-00050K-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:13:34 -0500 Original-Received: from is (is [199.203.121.2]) by is.elta.co.il (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01306; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:13:33 +0200 (IST) X-Sender: eliz@is Original-To: Juanma Barranquero In-Reply-To: <20021105213749.5845.LEKTU@terra.es> Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9163 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9163 On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > > I explained elsewhere in this thread that mundane practical problems > > caused this delay, in addition to real issues. I'm sorry that I was > > part of the reasons for the delay, but I do have a life. >=20 > If I=B4ve made it sound like I was looking for a culprit or disregarding > in any way yours or anyone=B4s contribution or (sometimes huge) amount of > work in this project, I=B4m really sorry. It=B4s not so. It's true that I sometimes take offense where others don't, but in this=20 case, you have nothing to apologize for: your wording didn't come=20 anywhere near any disregard. I simply wanted to explain why the delay happened. I truly _am_ sorry=20 that my personal life interfered. > > I'm sure everyone knows that the way to speed up things is to > > volunteer to make them happen. >=20 > Yes, of course. But sometimes it=B4s not clear what can you volunteer for= . There are a few mundane tasks involved in a pretest: making the tarballs=20 and xdelta's, testing and uploading them, tracking the reports by=20 pretesters (like on which systems they built successfully, what=20 outstanding bugs are still unsolved, etc.). When there's a major=20 modification in the manuals, there's typically a need to record what=20 pages were reviewed and how many times, to ensure coverage. Etc., etc. > I alredy fix bugs I think I know how to fix, for example. If we want more frequent releases from the stable branch, bugs on the=20 branch should get priority, or at least there should be enough people=20 working on them to ensure they are fixed almost immediately. Ideally, there should be a new pretest once a week. We are still very=20 far from that goal, I think; anything that helps us move toward that is a= =20 welcome change.