From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:54 +0300 (IDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019556744 16776 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 10:12:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ben Wing , Pavel =?iso-8859-1?q?Jan=EDk?= , Stefan Monnier , gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zxHc-0004MR-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:12:24 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zxIk-0008C6-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:13:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zxHU-0007ar-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:12:16 -0400 Original-Received: from is.elta.co.il ([199.203.121.2]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zxFZ-0005rP-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:10:17 -0400 Original-Received: from is (is [199.203.121.2]) by is.elta.co.il (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25982; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:55 +0300 (IDT) X-Sender: eliz@is Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3090 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3090 On 23 Apr 2002, Miles Bader wrote: > Ben Wing writes: > > the fact is that things work quite well when you have only a meta key. > > e.g. meta+letter is an accelerator only when such a menu exists; > > otherwise, you get the regular binding -- and even then you can > > retrieve the shadowed binding with shift+meta+letter. > > Do people really like this? I don't. One ``feature'' that particularly annoys me is that, as Ben described, pressing Alt alone and then releasing it activates the menu bar. So if I press Alt and then change my mind, I need to remember to type ESC or something similar before I can type text again. That's a real dumper on fast typing. > It sounds astonishly annoying to have > random meta keys stolen by the menus, especially since emacs has many > useful and common commands on M-letter keys. E.g., doesn't the `File' > menu steal `M-f', the `Buffers' menu `M-b', etc.? I think such a mode is inappropriate for Emacs because our menu bar can change dynamically as a function of what you type. So in Emacs, what keys will be stolen is not entirely predictable, which makes this even a worse idea, IMHO. I'd suggest to find a modifier other than Meta, and use that instead. Something like Super or Hyper, for example; we support them on Windows as well. For tty's, we could have some prefix key instead.