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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@is.elta.co.il>
Cc: "Ben Wing" <ben@666.com>, "Pavel Janík" <Pavel@Janik.cz>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu>,
	gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-l while in menu?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:54 +0300 (IDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020423140246.25849B-100000@is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <buo662irc44.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>


On 23 Apr 2002, Miles Bader wrote:

> Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
> > the fact is that things work quite well when you have only a meta key.
> > e.g. meta+letter is an accelerator only when such a menu exists;
> > otherwise, you get the regular binding -- and even then you can
> > retrieve the shadowed binding with shift+meta+letter.
> 
> Do people really like this?

I don't.  One ``feature'' that particularly annoys me is that, as Ben 
described, pressing Alt alone and then releasing it activates the menu 
bar.  So if I press Alt and then change my mind, I need to remember to 
type ESC or something similar before I can type text again.  That's a 
real dumper on fast typing.

> It sounds astonishly annoying to have
> random meta keys stolen by the menus, especially since emacs has many
> useful and common commands on M-letter keys.  E.g., doesn't the `File'
> menu steal `M-f', the `Buffers' menu `M-b', etc.?

I think such a mode is inappropriate for Emacs because our menu bar can 
change dynamically as a function of what you type.  So in Emacs, what 
keys will be stolen is not entirely predictable, which makes this even a 
worse idea, IMHO.

I'd suggest to find a modifier other than Meta, and use that instead.  
Something like Super or Hyper, for example; we support them on Windows as 
well.  For tty's, we could have some prefix key instead.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-23 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m3k7rjoamp.fsf@Janik.cz>
     [not found] ` <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-19 18:58   ` C-l while in menu? Pavel Janík
2002-04-20 17:27     ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-20 21:06       ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 11:17         ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-21 13:23           ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 14:04             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 14:38           ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-08 18:16             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 18:49               ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-10  0:29             ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-11  8:53               ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-13 14:17                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  7:46         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  8:55           ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-22 10:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 12:59             ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 17:47               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23  2:05               ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 19:47             ` Jan D.
2002-04-23 19:30               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  9:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 13:04             ` Ben Wing
2002-04-22 13:42               ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-23  9:13                 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-23  9:35                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 11:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2002-04-23 10:22                       ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-23 11:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:42                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 17:55                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:29                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-26  3:17                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:37                           ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-26  3:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 10:42                       ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 11:27                         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 15:54                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 14:40                         ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-24 15:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25  6:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 12:06                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 11:44                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 10:56                         ` Ben Wing
     [not found]                         ` <3CC68F57.4060901@666.com>
2002-04-24 11:15                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 12:52                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:53                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-23 14:11                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 10:44                       ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 15:37                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25  6:06                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25  8:05                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-25  9:13                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 10:22                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-26  3:18                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 11:14                             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-25 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23  9:32                 ` Ben Wing
     [not found]                 ` <3CC52A2F.6010704@666.com>
2002-04-23  9:51                   ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-23 11:20                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 19:30               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:22                 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-24  4:12                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25  6:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25  7:21                     ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-25  7:35                       ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 12:00                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 12:21                         ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 13:00                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 13:11                             ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 14:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 14:39                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 16:19                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 19:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 20:16                             ` Jason Rumney
2002-04-25 23:10                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 23:21                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-26  1:23                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-26 17:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26  3:18                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23  0:24             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 11:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 19:31             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:13               ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-25  6:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 11:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22  1:27     ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22  6:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204241307080.32219-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
2002-04-24 14:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 15:33   ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]   ` <vaf662hjelc.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-24 16:23     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 18:15       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25  2:23     ` Hrvoje Niksic

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