From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Let's shut down bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:16:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: Reply-To: Alan Mackenzie NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134311881 24158 80.91.229.2 (11 Dec 2005 14:38:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 11 15:38:00 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElSKL-0005dz-6z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:37:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElSKm-0006KP-Mv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:37:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElRly-0002IB-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:01:55 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElRls-0002F4-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:01:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElRlo-0002Dw-HL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:01:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.149.49.134] (helo=acm.acm) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElRnM-0003aL-5D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:03:21 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by acm.acm (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00244 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:16:26 GMT X-Sender: root@acm.acm Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47453 Archived-At: Hi, Emacs! Let's just shut down bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. You think I'm joking? I actually receive this mailing list via NNTP on gnu.emacs.bug, by the way. I've just been through this newsgroup clearing out spam, and it is truly revolting. Since 23rd November, when I last cleared out the group, I have downloaded 38 decent posts and 302 spams. In years past, I actually used gnu.emacs.bug a fair amount to report bugs and submit feature requests. If I were just getting into Emacs now, I doubt I'd bother, given the state of this newsgroup. gnu.emacs.bug is supposedly a moderated newsgroup. That so much spam spews forth from it makes the FSF look like a mass of incompetent idiots. Sadly, gnu.emacs.help is rapidly going the same way. By way of contrast, the non-gnu newsgroup comp.emacs is clean indeed - Since 23rd November, I haven't downloaded any spam at all there, though it does get the odd slice of it. In September, I sent an email to postmaster@gnu.org offering to do manual moderation of help-gnu-emacs. After all, sifting out ~20 spams per day is not that onerous a task, and seeing how I'm doing it privately anyhow, why not let everybody get the benefit? I didn't get a reply. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany)