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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322517 Archived-At: > I didn't say that. You know why? Because I didn't mean it. > It doesn't take much experience to do cool things fast > in Python, it is a fact. I agree to disagree, Emanuel!=C2=A0 Sorry, but I do not think =E2=80=9CPyth= on is a generally better programming language=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Perhaps Python is v= ery good in some aspects but not in general, and I know Python better than any other language. I think that Python is popular in=C2=A0 the sense of =E2=80=9Cthere are mor= e Python programmers than most other languages=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0=C2=A0 And I think =E2= =80=9CIn the software industry, technical=C2=A0 merits of a=C2=A0 programming language do not=C2= =A0 make it popular.=E2=80=9D!=C2=A0 Java and C and JS=C2=A0 didn't become popular only= due to their technical merits. > Emacs-w3m is from Japan <3 As I said, perhaps only in Japan. However, as an Asian, I know=C2=A0 no university in my country or neighbour countries teaching=C2=A0 Lisp.=C2=A0 Just a=C2=A0 few pages=C2=A0 of histor= y and=C2=A0 no more. But they teach C, Java and Python. > No. Just think, remove this line in Lisp > > some-item)) Why should=C2=A0 I?=C2=A0 Why should I=C2=A0 use `kill-line`?=C2=A0 Why not= =C2=A0 removing that item with `kill-sexp`? Do you know Python and Lisp and acknowledge their difference? In Python,=C2=A0 one removes a=C2=A0 statement by=C2=A0 removing its conten= t=C2=A0 and the following newline character; because=C2=A0 in Python statements are started and=C2=A0 terminated with=C2=A0 newlines=C2=A0 (a character)=C2=A0 (unless = continued=C2=A0 with a backslash or separated with a semicolon! Yeah...) In Lisp, one=C2=A0 removes statements by removing sexps.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Becaus= e in Lisp, statements=C2=A0 are=C2=A0=C2=A0 started=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 terminated=C2=A0 w= ith=C2=A0=C2=A0 another=C2=A0 character, parenthesis!=C2=A0 (Only parenthesis, no exceptions) For=C2=A0 removing=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 statement=C2=A0 in=C2=A0=C2=A0 Python,=C2= =A0 use=C2=A0 `kill-line`=C2=A0 (C-k)=C2=A0 or `kill-whole-line`.=C2=A0 For removing a=C2=A0 statement in Lisp, use `kill-= sexp` (C-M-k). You=C2=A0 are using=C2=A0 your=C2=A0 own=C2=A0 presumptions to=C2=A0 reason= =C2=A0 out, and=C2=A0 convince others.=C2=A0 Your presumptions are not mine,=C2=A0 and your facts are not = facts to me. Python is not a mainly better language.=C2=A0 It's your own presumption. I learnt=C2=A0 it because I=C2=A0 have to.=C2=A0 Others learn=C2=A0 it too,= for=C2=A0 many only because they also have to.=C2=A0 Lisp is not widespread in universities any more.=C2=A0 It's your own presumption.=C2=A0 Perhaps in US, perhaps in the = past. Please, do=C2=A0 not declare=C2=A0 your opinions as=C2=A0 Accepted Facts.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 At least, they are not established facts to many other developers. I think=C2=A0 that I'm out=C2=A0 of this discussion.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don=E2= =80=99t have=C2=A0 any benefit here.=C2=A0 --=20 Best Regards,