From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Abraham S.A.H." via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 19:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Reply-To: "Abraham S.A.H." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33220"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 06 19:39:17 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbO9U-0008XF-K7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 19:39:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbO8v-0001WK-9d; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 13:38:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbO8n-0001R1-Sa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 13:38:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.w13.tutanota.de ([185.205.69.213]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbO8l-00074G-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2024 13:38:33 -0400 Original-Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (w10.api.tuta.com [IPv6:fd:ac::d:10]) by mail.w13.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8767B1260B35 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 19:38:28 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1722965908; s=s1; d=tuta.io; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=0EpKQYunsCIRMQXY9bBSaJ3PreOiYmK/+4HyXTSKlVM=; b=bUk1qQczLfBR3n0dhHApm/qxIHtrFkuUZsSQM0vPOQHoEJ7/5oeX+W5gT/J45QsF Dxr/B9pjdaKUHP8QYoRmFXJbVDrqy7aSYHvPE2fSIJ1cqfauNwct7uUidMM/YoivYWj DzYTrgoVKURmGvSlIJgmhsrT9UVVdihdCeDaqEiYX6QfEN1K88yZnnZmngdgCvqtHTK K0yToGmJHBuNLoe+0mJ3Dd89t5brFLmgYrzb8D/q9b/y7dtntA2yl+T0y/fkgSkLEFB BBp6wqcrwcYinYgGbmn07+8hNnANuiS/mhyyRqUO1VRU6T73FecoDBNm2XsnlpQVA7R qy3tjjDyhA== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.205.69.213; envelope-from=arash.sah@tuta.io; helo=mail.w13.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322454 Archived-At: >=C2=A0Yes, Python is incomparable to Emacs Lisp and would probably win quite even against the collective Lisp world, I'm afraid. Wins only in being popular.=C2=A0 It can win against most languages in that= regard and I doubt if it's only for technical reasons. >=C2=A0if we care about Lisp we should do what we can to make Elisp more competitive altho we should focus on getting better, and not compare us to other languages as we are way too far behind in many areas, I'm afraid. Sure.=C2=A0 But should we consider Python as a technically better language? Of course it has lessons to be learnt and advantages to be studied and adop= ted.=C2=A0 But should one try to make Elisp more like JS or PHP or Python j= ust because they have more programmers?=C2=A0 Isn't it because of some othe= r industrial causes that they are popular? And are you sure that what you mentioned in number 10 is Emacs' weakness an= d not its advntage? -- Best Regards,