From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:47:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <87fsemjs7v.fsf@yahoo.com> <87edu5izi9.fsf@yahoo.com> <83cz9pk5fb.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31010"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 15 02:14:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oukWu-0007r2-5w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 02:14:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouik8-0004y6-JJ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:19:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouifA-0001df-RW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:14:50 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouakT-0004jp-Sw; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:47:47 -0500 Original-Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FB01060163; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 14:47:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1668437263; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=R+4XjGnkvC0+SjgHlaCba/bK6g6cHE8EtQ0WqOfxw7o=; b=Xrm+lal61Rt6/8EqZyLAByigTLuejFtycMVA2L61+86xQe0ArAK9wYtfxSABaNNW 3f80twvDCje0JCk4zyUuOVe6weF16Q01PrSqbWYWQT5PrPS5+AS8k9EWVcyeBZ7vJXn b+Rw/DkeTxnMl7t7OpH5TnsBMSSrzttTE7MugRT/lgOxS+EGICjrSg7bbusTf/HT8Kk 6r/9fqb8CXJshBun0ERV2KeYuK8/pajb8pM/gm8ANIQ+UOwm8HGUPEiwlJyjfVr+fyh zRFNeUfuhL/3tgL+sIcn1vfYigwnUKujz8lBaMUV4NvNFtOmkuhSPuO6EVcW5lM1YSP SjlE+JAZnw== In-Reply-To: <83cz9pk5fb.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299811 Archived-At: Nov 14, 2022, 13:54 by eliz@gnu.org: >> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:52:50 +0100 (CET) >> From: xenodasein@tutanota.de >> Cc: "xenodasein--- viaEmacs development discussions." , >> eliz@gnu.org >> >> My whole complaint is that this is not happening, so the trend here >> should be reducing lines of code, but opposite is happening.=C2=A0 This >> not a good direction. >> > > You are entitled to your opinions, but we disagree, and we have many > years of experience to present as evidence. > > Given such stark differences of assumptions, opinions, and experience > in Emacs development, I see no reason to keep arguing about this. > Experience in accomplishing what exactly?=C2=A0 How can I examine this evidence?=C2=A0 I don't know what are your goals, is going down from 5% percent to 4% on StackOverflow's survey this year is one of them? I really want to see this story of success, but wherever I look that has numbers tells that you can't compare numbers even with Notepad++.=C2=A0 Perhaps you can point out what kind of thing can change your decisions on things like this, but I find it hard to understand how leaving whoever comes after you an even bigger Emacs despite having said currently no one understands all parts of it.