From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:19:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <838rkels13.fsf@gnu.org-NGltIw7----9> <83zgcuk8pb.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37974"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 20:19:59 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ouIWM-0009cu-4g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:19:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouIVV-0007kB-Ol; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:19:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouIVU-0007jp-DR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:19:04 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouIVS-0006Y6-KB; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 14:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30321060254; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1668367140; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=EJc9U8IOJ0xxzyvKEYajFy0tLzlNXz6kbUekxmwNlHo=; b=Jo1aa7xxYBzfLcgwtHmef2vAdmjEpje0A3cX0xVutVum3VbMsfmg1N01Mdm4/yI6 j7Kdi2w9YKfHbJax3Zgs4aSPEcTwWeQWWNNuYBZNIU8t4Ir0fnibiy9OhxU6TsYuHoe l4S0aWACVJ/pOLnjmETL2VStMtyOgH205VXF9exRgyzgjSSkJKWlcmeYYMej5BZkr32 2/hzf/IsDXKODLEG3MH3yxKRwiQkIgcW2KGjv7dAsL21ufio4n1X6dwBH348dRIWdh6 2bxgniwmHtsLqpn9DMIxbTxqDrs+8AQ1zJyczYW73bK1oTCuVHGEr+xEc0S2qZkaMNc /j0i8inUbg== In-Reply-To: <83zgcuk8pb.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299750 Archived-At: Nov 13, 2022, 18:31 by eliz@gnu.org: >> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:12:03 +0100 (CET) >> From: xenodasein@tutanota.de >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> How integrated is it with custom, package, etc? Not well enough to be >> considered complete IMO. >> > > If something in it turns out to be incomplete, we will fix it. > >> My understanding is that you will make it yet another member of the >> orphanage lisp/ when it could function perfectly from ELPA. >> > > The packages in lisp/ aren't orphans, just look at the Git logs. (How > can you seriously consider the Lisp packages in core "frozen" when we > average 5000 commits a year for the past ten years?? Where do all > those commits go, in your opinion?) > There seems to be many like allout that don't receive a commit for decades (apart from a typo fix or two). AFAICT most go to new additions. Stefan K seems to do a lot of thankless housekeeping in that direction, but more importantly there was the force of nature from Lars before you ahem frustrated him away, so my criticism mostly applies to from then on; by all means if we can get Lars back to fixing the million line interdependent Elisp code, I'll grunt no more.=C2=A0 The way I see it optio= ns are immediately to stop anything else and to hold communions and pray to get him back, or just start downsizing.