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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284057 Archived-At: Jan 3, 2022, 15:55 by luangruo@yahoo.com: > xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." > writes: > >> It means that I do have an explanation for the problem, and stop acting >> as if I am lying or something. >> > > I'm not acting as if you're lying. I was stating that your very vague > explanations don't help, at all. > >> If you are unable to find it and interested in more details, what you >> should have done is to ask me for the full article instead of >> continuing the harassment campaign. >> > > Please choose your words carefully. Contrary to your statement, there > is no "harassment campaign" against you or anyone else here. > >> Here's an example of a normal answer you should have given: "I am >> working on Customize, and would appreciate your time if you can >> provide the whole article, not just a pointer to internet, and maybe >> additional comments instead." >> > > And that, except split across a few more messages, is precisely what I > have been trying to say to you today (specifically, about autoloads and > custom.) Your response however is typically a complaint that I'm > calling you delusional, or harassing you, or calling you a liar, or what > not, which is again blatantly false. > Please do introspection, and try to see why I am saying that you are doing those things, and only to you. > Anyway, unless you're willing to provide some actual information about > the problem, I will see myself out. I still oppose the addition of a > setup wizard that does not generate a custom-set-variables block to > place in the custom file. > You are not fixing Customize, you're trying to get the author of wizard to fix Customize instead.=C2=A0 If author doesn't use and know Customize, and wants to make a wizard for generating simple init.el configuration forms as a starting point for people, more power to them.=C2=A0 I wish that existed when I started out.=C2=A0 It can always be expanded for Customize support later, and you are free to work on that when the time comes. What you're doing here is unhelpful at best.