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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284043 Archived-At: Jan 3, 2022, 15:55 by luangruo@yahoo.com: > xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." > writes: > >> Here's an example of a normal answer you should have given: "I am >> working on Customize, and would appreciate your time if you can >> provide the whole article, not just a pointer to internet, and maybe >> additional comments instead." >> > > And that, except split across a few more messages, is precisely what I > have been trying to say to you today (specifically, about autoloads and > custom.) Your response however is typically a complaint that I'm > calling you delusional, or harassing you, or calling you a liar, or what > not, which is again blatantly false. > Nope, see what you did was to say that you know what the problem is, that it is the exact same one with setq, and said it was insignificant and unrealistic. > Anyway, unless you're willing to provide some actual information about > the problem, I will see myself out. I still oppose the addition of a > setup wizard that does not generate a custom-set-variables block to > place in the custom file. > I would consider helping If I saw you committing towards integrating the wizard with custom, not opposing it before it is even born. >> Now you are expanding the issue, and asking for how autoload problem >> directly affects the new wizard package, whereas my original mail was >> only about defaults of custom-file, and your answer was about setq. >> With deflections like these, it is easy to doubt someone's intentions, >> so don't blame me. >> > > I suggest you take a look at the title of your reply, if that is what > your argument is based on. > > Further more, it was you who turned the discussion towards setq, and the > discussion about custom-file is an entirely separate discussion (which > was also suitably renamed) that involved Philip, Pedro and you, not me. > > I was not paying attention to the "default custom file" discussion. > So everything written in this list strongly relate to the OP and title, and= never diverge.=C2=A0 OK, sorry, my mistake.