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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284013 Archived-At: Jan 3, 2022, 13:10 by luangruo@yahoo.com: > xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." > writes: > >>> If the autoloads are part of Emacs, those problems should be reported a= s >>> a bug. `setq' will also have as many problems with autoloads as custom >>> will. >>> >> Not one more? Not one less? Exactly as many as? Please stop >> gaslighting attempts. >> > > First of all, no, I was not trying to gaslight you. > > In the future, please try to choose better words when interacting with > other people (such as me). I don't make comments on your person, so you > should reciprocate. > I can't know someone's intentions only what is written here, so please you too try to choose not only better words, but a purpose to argument. > Secondly, `setq' will have the exact same problems with autoloads that > custom-set-variables will have, and both have very little real problems > with autoloads. > > It is difficult to tell exactly which problems you are referring to, > since you haven't presented a concrete instance of them, but from a > general point of view both methods of setting variables will have the > same (rare) problems with autoloads. > > report-emacs-bug is also your friend, as always. If custom really has a > bug with autoloads, then we will want to fix it. > > Thanks. > I don't think I need to get into exact details for the previous discussion = at hand, because they are not relevant.=C2=A0 I can take the time to be more s= pecific if there is a purpose.=C2=A0 For there, you should assume that I am not lyi= ng or my experiences are not surreal, which is what your replies are doing, unlik= e anyone else here.=C2=A0 I am sure emacs-devel is already aware of the prob= lem, so why should I do a bug report when it likely already exists?=C2=A0 For ex= ample Stefan Monnier gives a detailed explanation of autoload/custom problem interaction on Elisp stackexchange.