From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:36:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <897ED591-43BC-4029-912A-917E5E9F6930@gmail.com> <83mtkeefmt.fsf@gnu.org> <415299A3-0042-47B6-857B-DF3089C9BAC5@gmail.com> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6258"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: casouri@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 18:37:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n44na-0001Nl-2X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 18:37:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35952 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n44nY-0004a0-4R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:37:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n44mv-0003sw-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:36:57 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]:45746) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n44mt-0002tK-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:36:56 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDB01060255; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 17:36:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1641145013; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=oA/+xSE0A/iH7cv7siUFiMdhXgVq2aE8DDkuSu3i0Ok=; b=Ir/AVBIx65IoIvwp8c5Yn4PzLBdijYxw1FCoA+SvfckmxmXHX2W3PfjjUQtVUzZd mPkFIEZuPv1E4GZWdoW8qefzLfbj0hOxEGHadTtJIK0c8u/iJg04RRK9TPi+W6v33R+ HkTvOMI4JsYngWIeAx3frXkEqM3hWtzhMJnMtgJe/ucDcc+X4U2y5ZFnkxo9vlxq9LU JVORGHteplxdEeJcX6iwlZag1/SkmmaG6hcVZTeGf//zC8o3J5GVbwamX44/mtqq4zD 75jKFrR+vhLGwRu9q79pOV5pGW1e3OCVFqCZJMpQmTchsD8PhDOhmYFrQhXENyCmA0S nXUdtSf3Yg== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283937 Archived-At: Jan 2, 2022, 20:26 by casouri@gmail.com: > I don=E2=80=99t have any problem of adding it to core. I=E2=80=99m just = pessimistic about how many people are incentivized to push for it and agree= on things. > > Putting it on ELPA doesn=E2=80=99t stop from working it into core, I thin= k. I don=E2=80=99t want to get into another 1000-thread debate about what i= s the =E2=80=9Cminimal set=E2=80=9D. Many of the stuff in setup-wizard.el a= re not easily agreed upon, but removing them IMO decreases the usefulness o= f setup-wizard. For example, the =E2=80=9Cwizards=E2=80=99 choice=E2=80=9D = binding scheme, the option to turn off menu-bar, the recommendation of ivy = and company. > > Yuan > Nah, I don't believe it will be too hard for this kind of improvement to make it in, don't worry, unless you are trying to change default key bindings.=C2=A0 :) As for this package I think it is a step in the right direction.=C2=A0 What= we should strive for eventually is a customization interface that does things like modifying key bindings, for minor and major modes, (in addition to other stuff) + wizard + interactive tutorial, integrated.