From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:57:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6geo4h8.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735m6o349.fsf@yahoo.com> <87pmpamlon.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="429"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: luangruo@yahoo.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 12:58:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zVF-000ATy-UC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:58:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59314 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zVE-00018g-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zUW-0000Rk-Fn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:57:36 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]:54220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zUV-0002B6-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:57:36 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22CA106028E; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 11:57:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1641124653; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=yXewkJb2fLMXIzNzNPOWVf03H9omF5SIFvG+YK6i/IU=; b=ja0o45Ao8NNnCNZ8b6lvGJmyNIlL23oQdFW7lBRT0M8rYGwxsCccss2zZDpWSwTr tzi/fxzDNHMBe5PA0E4fEHmmnlwEuah4HxKbqcjWwuLPCXQKp1fwqFJJeW4dHpYU91d LS9dHsrp3gka3ZXy02o5KwCf05zsXUhdYgzILLFvdwCuvMu14RGi5s+Ycn4bdUSNZ9g UmD0twfo+hJB6rRY453JKKN8HPHi9ptfU8/w/bWIF8FDOxgKnCOinE4ZbQRhj0yh0HP R8wE1FAuq4x/5neJ7vb+68rXijf6SEGZxMUqH0VFcw9IJRkRIiFGlTOpcW/zIBtf5pI 1Xiy+ViIyA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283891 Archived-At: by luangruo@yahoo.com: >> You don't need to survey anyone to come to such a conclusion. Just ask >> yourself this: do users of CLion have to know Java? If not, then users >> of Emacs shouldn't have to learn Emacs Lisp either. >> FWIW I completely agree with this.=C2=A0 Custom system is a good idea, and it should exist; however it has a very long way yet to achieve it's purpose.=C2=A0 It is nowhere near JetBrains software's isolation of Java from user.=C2=A0 It needs a lot more work.=C2=A0 It is an unfinishe= d system. If you keep insisting on Custom's perfection, you need to explain the whole Emacs community why JetBrains makes more money than donations to Emacs.=C2=A0 (Rhetorical)