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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283887 Archived-At: Jan 2, 2022, 14:17 by luangruo@yahoo.com: > xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." > writes: > >> I invite you to compare code of custom-set-variables and setq, for >> setting a single variable, and to see how ridiculous this defense is. >> > > Judging functions by code size in general will not yield a useful > result, and preferring setq to custom-theme-set-variables because the > latter has more code is simply ludicrous: > If it is ludicrous, then why almost every Emacs users configuration out there care about speeding up initialization?=C2=A0 Speed isn't the only concern, also. > setq doesn't try to respect > the `custom-set' symbol property, or do anything meaningful with custom > themes. (Which is why it is also unsuitable for many options, where the > `custom-set' function has to be called in order to work correctly, or > when you want it inside a custom theme.) > >> There isn't even a function for setting a custom variable and you will >> find a csetq macro popping up in many users init files, if you care to >> look within your community. And no, custom-set-variable isn't it. >> > > Why not? > You are proving what I argued, which is custom system doesn't play well with doing things from init file.=C2=A0 And even newcomers will have t= o use the init file, for many things cannot be done by using custom interface only. Please see: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CustomizingAndSaving#h5o-3