From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:30:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <87a6geo4h8.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735m6o349.fsf@yahoo.com> <83fsq6e7er.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee5qe6dt.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2700"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 12:32:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n3z5x-0000QV-Mr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:32:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43728 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3z5v-0008N4-M9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:32:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3z4f-00077A-Rf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:30:53 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]:47694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3z4e-0007y0-4t; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:30:53 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8EE106019A; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 11:30:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1641123050; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=tmNTy/eR1v/VuHMTEfpYhn3oOf1G73Klthzal++9NpQ=; b=xIvFZAoQ+v+0bna6fAR3nRc+aFODGLGjc7CvQ1Jzn1AgJd2ccFEVktVYUs+hackG nCZR1RbCqeIO1C/xc1yPQnDAYWQijT9i18ZoYBsYlirfc9lbiLcwvqCenzbmUV1W5RV CoLBuSscfF+U6jwLxjWOCtAXsOmLHU8pCDSVGxOq60eM2hMz+aCcta6BM6rx8rKEqhd n3CYsUsMEVGa0FxeK2OnPWGR4dDqrhHHLOLjNJQ9dVRni3oBruMxws8Z5yz8tXaOapC CzUnoiTm+Lphc/M1M0GwtI/0WZWLy/1SHdbfiKfYT0BmUa0C+tkm/fZlnNYU3FkOHHe 3dmuaFYCVg== In-Reply-To: <83ee5qe6dt.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283885 Archived-At: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-01/msg00092.html From: Po Lu >> Basically Custom is an unfinished system, it's code is not easy to >> understand, and it does not integrate with the rest of Emacs well, it >> especially does not play well with configuring things from init.el >> file. > Custom is basically a finished system, and the whole point of it is to > make things work so that users will not have to understand it. > And contrary to your statements, it integrates with the rest of Emacs > quite well.=C2=A0 For example, this doesn't work: > ... Here, this person is "basically" saying that I am a ... and what I said is psychotic and unreal. Then, proceeds to "refute" what I said with implying that I don't know what "custom-set" is, which is untrue, apparent from my previous mails. Jan 2, 2022, 14:14 by eliz@gnu.org: > The original message to which you replied expressed an opinion about > an Emacs feature. That opinion was not aimed at you, nor was it > unkind in any way. > You, OTOH, expressed an unkind opinion about the _person_ to whom you > were responding. Thus my comment. > I hope we can discuss technical opinions about Emacs development and > features, not about the persons who are involved in that development.