From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 11:34:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <369E183D-87EC-45AB-8352-9A780006561E@gmail.com> <87zgoeps3f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6geo4h8.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735m6o349.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: luangruo@yahoo.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 11:35:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yCp-0006jf-Su for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 11:35:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53294 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yCn-0001KQ-QL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 05:35:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59428) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yCD-0000dq-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 05:34:37 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]:34708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yCC-0001Nc-C6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 05:34:37 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F05106016D; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:34:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1641119674; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=CzsRb+qkSVu5drJ9YxahBBougSjgv4Z74utcASttuxo=; b=Ez8IXLPle520Rk6nTRRgsFNq5XR1dmjR65AJSDicOS9rCDAT1/gkuJalNw4e4hcs tHYFwtbR0PBDMrCarcsH2CRrVv+uydrAtBKVCf2XESyR1p8yfQMtm208m4q+zKQy+Nl z7FZcy8VP+rQoVl+js8j8DQmYmNt3q7lIQtk51TuLn6pbYe5UdpqSb7EWWdE5+SV5Ka Jf7FXn8FubyJkrJbu8w3FR+e9SJHoONOEVpHf324jix+GGJNmy+Lotsb3uXm7A4f6P+ HKaooYj3SQuuUYkpY215WMPHjaOJFo6KpeeA4aLPhWUrcOfTyEacdwmcwhOEdXj3jxg 5mLUkt79Ug== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283879 Archived-At: Jan 2, 2022, 12:45 by luangruo@yahoo.com: > xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <> emacs-devel@gnu.org= > > > writes: > >> Basically Custom is an unfinished system, it's code is not easy to >> understand, and it does not integrate with the rest of Emacs well, it >> especially does not play well with configuring things from init.el >> file. >> > > Custom is basically a finished system, and the whole point of it is to > make things work so that users will not have to understand it. > ... > Custom should be understandable for everyone, and I don't see why it > isn't. > If you think it a perfect, finished and polished system, I am fearful of th= e damage you will do to both Emacs' code and community. > And contrary to your statements, it integrates with the rest of Emacs > quite well. For example, this doesn't work: > > (setq pixel-scroll-precision-mode t) > > But this does: > > (custom-set-variables '(pixel-scroll-precision-mode t)) > > Same goes for `scroll-bar-mode', and so on. > I invite you to compare code of custom-set-variables and setq, for setting a single variable, and to see how ridiculous this defense is. There isn't even a function for setting a custom variable and you will find a csetq macro popping up in many users init files, if you care to look within your community.=C2=A0 And no, custom-set-variable isn't it.