From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 11:01:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <87k0fn8od1.fsf@gnus.org> <83y242ip0a.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="891"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 30 11:02:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2sGg-00005D-6F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 11:02:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45526 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2sGe-0005CV-Ua for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 05:02:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49858) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2sG0-0004V5-8L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 05:02:00 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]:53168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2sFy-0000UP-Ju for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 05:01:59 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA43610601A7 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:01:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1640858516; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=nSXFZvk37uM8sv/iN/po017P08EOIgxYTlnWBz77je4=; b=0+GHL76VH5qmU6XzrsTvm8jNqv1efS8wo8GLFSPTe1NbGPlwBS5zpWQhHyrgK42a 5+eTGqvmkuJlTF73UqB+at670uv5+dafp3TJKGoSemhZihHjDLP2AEhT4NNc7t8dtia PLbcihfGpf7iLjZ5kxEouh9AjbQ7AYrRRiiSj1Fo4crrPR0l25S9bSr9eDWsJ/6NBzw /kVrPCC/9NOEvgkKEkmaz7YL5KBC9VlM418DZ1VRFQ647c++KhOmGurjXbL1/o2dm/P TjpKIgSHRN8tPvw6UjMao1oMvl/M+oRZUd01lf8r624nJs+OxuQS/CyOj55gjaDU/v9 x8NzilfZaA== In-Reply-To: <83y242ip0a.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283630 Archived-At: Dec 30, 2021, 09:29 by eliz@gnu.org: > The word "shame" doesn't belong here IMO, or at least it isn't the > copyright assignment process that should be ashamed. Blame the > ridiculous software copyright issues and large corporations that are > behind those, and also dishonest people and companies which use free > software without making their code freely available. > > Saying "it's a shame" that assignment process is needed and is in some > cases legally complicated is like blaming the traffic lights for > turning red at times. It's not the traffic light that should be > blamed, it's the chaos that would ensue if the traffic laws were not > in place and enforced. > > Of course, speeding up the assignment process is a worthy goal, but > some things cannot be sped up beyond some limit, and if people and > organizations should be involved that are not the FSF staff, we cannot > in good faith blame the FSF staff for having to wait for those other > people to get their act together. > > In general, my advice to people who send the assignment form is to > ping the FSF clerk after a week if they don't get any response and CC > me. > +1