From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:00:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <83y24asbh4.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuexqh7w.fsf@gnu.org> <9c04ef31-96e0-1874-7385-633435a28b5f@yandex.ru> <83lf08rk27.fsf@gnu.org> <87o854swp2.fsf@telefonica.net> <83fsqgrhb0.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18006"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es To: eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 25 14:01:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n16g0-0004We-4r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:01:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16fy-00040h-B5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 08:01:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16el-0002VX-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 08:00:15 -0500 Original-Received: from w4.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.165]:48278) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n16ef-0007tB-Sd; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 08:00:11 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w4.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA871060210; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:00:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1640437207; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=UHobM2NMZ0FKyzRt9sETak8u+jYV3urMqIk3QiWwiko=; b=stie+/9H8VUDGpn1jNUF5iIz/wRxGv93rdSLbsyTAbBxqAB9H5cSv3UjAVRGnX3n Co7jfDyKXRtUNugLihcI1iaw0l7Wt/keiM4XWCkVZdWjg6Hg1qwSOG/Q7GymME2UwXJ MIBCsI3/5zTUNiH4hoHsBbVPa2uNZMFnOJEFATF90q0E140NBCS9CTc/H5EgsIn/h09 Ui8GjSvhdrYf8Mc4GcJh/CUIlgT1GjNjdH3xIIPvvQGQjC37G99q8ewjKPGpcMMSxRT 2JnVyU1JYa4yoPqxoV7riWdEV/F0Ls01r2cUX5nfLpxUsnf8hX4pENu5brwtBxZ7tet jQOnibJsGA== In-Reply-To: <83fsqgrhb0.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.165; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w4.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283209 Archived-At: Dec 25, 2021, 15:37 by eliz@gnu.org: > I did -- but that was before I understood what was being proposed. > The OP wanted assurance that the code will be accepted once done, > and I cannot in good faith give him that, given what's being actually > proposed. Doing so would be betraying the OP's trust, especially if > eventually we don't like the results. > And I fail to see how that solves the long-term maintenance problem, > once we do accept the code. This happened in the past, more than > once. It would be extremely unfair to expect any sort of guarantee.=C2=A0 IMHO only things required are plans and desire to have that sort of thing inside the Emacs.=C2=A0 If the end result is disliked by the community, it must not be included, and wait available for revisions. See: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg02203.html