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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282914 Archived-At: Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg02275.ht= ml From: Po Lu Subject: Re: Motif support Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:58:36 +0800 > "Nightmare inside a nightmare" is what happens with _every_ attempt to > abstract between different window systems and toolkits. That is why I am proposing something else, if you cared to read. > Now that you can expect everyone to use FreeType, why not also expect > them to have fontconfig installed on their systems? You are still writing without reading or understanding what I explained on this topic, so please do not reply to me ever again if this will keep happening, it is a waste of whole emacs-devel's time, not just mine. >> instead of jAvAschRiPt. > Why is that so? Why does Elisp exist? Please ponder, and do not answer. >> It will make way for "Office" level decorations. > We do not want "decorations" like MS-Office.=C2=A0 We want the ability to > edit documents like MS-Office, including the indentation of > variable-pitch text. "Office level" does not mean the same thing as "Office like", same old same old.=C2=A0 So you are saying that you want to do what Office does without the same level of visual feedback?=C2=A0 I also want to be able to move like a car without being one. :) > Feel free to work on that instead. I feel like what is going to happen is while working on a large change it will become apparent that it will necessitate another one, then someone else like you will appear and say that "We only want what I want, don't do, change or discuss anything else."=C2=A0 Then the discussi= on will become long and time-consuming, it will then get reprimands in the form of "why are you wasting time talking and not producing cute little commits?"=C2=A0 I hope I'm wrong but this is my impression so far.