From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:41:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8661"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 15:46:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n02sZ-00021k-1Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:46:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38818 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n02sY-0002YT-2j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:46:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n02oC-0007hb-DZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:41:39 -0500 Original-Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:59400) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n02o8-0007mW-Er; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:41:35 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6265FA0389; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 14:41:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1640184089; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=StsL+6UrrJrYwvvNzYdljWpDOjUBZn9TtsXS50ZoRu0=; b=VJrGaWJ4vFcEZ2YNpDP3sHyXzBubqB3685QBU/bX1hohF3ERFUwPKzR7qbv9OWC3 dq11U1Tro8Mcak+Z5y43rQKkRJOz+7tX0qDo2t62aScQjxjaD0eykSZPIkg1W8VGwcO 7/tq8yfloZB4CGGbRXU2fpNRycFMIpI96r3tUC+ZtYYUhRewbHj4Rcy7EINy6bKTuDW q3Hg2u1Ot2mdPoWtj0q8emxSRaORBdRhpH9OGnegXqm0hvH4T5gDdLca2thrPrMkiZm KfAo/CH1slPnoY5rYa10rM8h1A0QkHAkhkdfihx3SITgolWf6A846hBCsgZBn+bTTWO Aj8TS5Vm9g== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282752 Archived-At: Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg02094.ht= ml From: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 23:16:24 -0500 I just noticed that I used the term open source there and not free software; a bad habit I am getting over. :) > Some of those old platforms are among the most important ones > because they allow operation without the Intel Management Engine > (or AMD's counterpart to that). This a very critical point I forgot to consider, good to bring it up. Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg02123.ht= ml From: =C3=93scar Fuentes Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:09:09 +0100 >> ... without the Intel Management Engine >> (or AMD's counterpart to that). > Aren't there modern machines without this? Machines that are much more > performant, reliable and secure than those old ones, which usually are > tied to an unsupported OS full of security defects? Are there recent, powerful amd64 cores without built-in surveillance out there?=C2=A0 Accessibility outside of first-world is also important, I'd be interested to know those if you care to help.