From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Development Speed
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:25:06 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MrRWUBZ--3-2@tutanota.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: MrLr14W--3-2@tutanota.de
(This is a resend, it got lost when list was down.)
Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg01930.html
From: Po Lu
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:12:40 +0800
First, thanks for your input on this, I really appreciate it.
> It shows that you don't need major refactoring to be able to add a new
> GUI port of Emacs.
Please take a look at Neovim, there is no comparison.
Also the entanglement of TUI and GUI; there is no clear separation without
breaking a lot of lisp code. For example trying to make a minibuffer frame on TUI
just returns nil, as they use the same functions.
> I find any kind of rewrite to increase the number of manhours needed to
> achieve things. Especially when Emacs is involved.
Maybe Emacs lives in a dimension where SE principles and research don't apply,
and if you see no room for improvement whatsoever so be it.
> I think we already use restricted pointers...
> ...
> I regularly see people building Emacs with a C99 compiler,
> and even more people building with a C11 compiler.
> For example, I don't think there's a version of GCC that will compile
> the DJGPP port and supports C17 either.
AFAIK there is almost no visible difference between C11 and C17; a
bug-fix release. And if features like you described are common then Emacs is
already mostly there. Nice.
> There is no "excuse" needed to not drop older language standards, when
> the new one is not even universally available.
Of course the targeting a platform without support is a valid reason but
making GNU/Linux or Windows users suffer the deficiencies of a platform
that cannot compile C11 in this day and age is somewhat cruel IMO.
We needn't use the whole C runtime but the core language should be fair game.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-21 10:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-19 17:06 Development Speed xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-20 0:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 4:16 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-20 5:12 ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 8:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-20 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 15:51 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
[not found] ` <MrLr14W--3-2@tutanota.de>
[not found] ` <87lf0f1vko.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 15:49 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 1:06 ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 10:25 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2021-12-21 10:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 10:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-21 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-21 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 11:09 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 0:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 16:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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2021-12-21 10:52 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 11:05 ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 11:25 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 11:37 ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 14:47 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 0:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 1:05 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 12:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-21 12:20 ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-12-21 14:14 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22 10:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 10:22 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 10:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 10:45 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23 9:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 10:37 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 10:54 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22 14:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-23 1:00 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 1:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-23 1:07 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 2:18 ` dick
2021-12-23 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 10:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-23 12:54 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 18:49 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23 10:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 10:35 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 10:50 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 11:05 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23 10:23 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22 14:41 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 0:52 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 1:16 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 15:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 13:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 13:42 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 13:48 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 16:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 17:02 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 0:21 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 20:21 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-23 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 17:35 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 19:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 19:53 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 20:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 22:07 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-25 5:22 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 15:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-25 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-24 1:33 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-24 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-24 14:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 15:21 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 13:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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