From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 05:16:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: References: <87v8zk5d7t.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38626"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs Devel To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 20 05:17:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mzA75-0009p8-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 05:17:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54256 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzA73-0001iz-6k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:17:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36764) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzA5q-0000Wf-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:16:10 -0500 Original-Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:37490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzA5n-0001OO-81 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:16:10 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD07FBF642; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:16:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1639973764; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=20GuSBQYD2bbHYSML8HfmNmKkugVQ+4S4APDh7aWtR0=; b=Tf24pxgMqTH/mJrhCwWqSL+A5G9UJMq3ztGQmP3xASVfz9N/LlahXdOBgAREVZ4g oSnOCnRY4FqyfUWl+JqGNJt2ReICW2inwsQe27JLXcFhwJviqeNUr6R/nwzEO9iPoI9 rmkBkLOzyOPf6sEITFrlAKzPl7/Po//WTpiZf0R6przNgYjy5o9lvU8tEuYbqGE/fSd yYuUDi4c9kbz9Gm9qL7of/XRdr8PUP+WR+dPb8x+EyH/IUT6YhH7B1TmoznkT06T/LG P5oOWlBMM2krJxsYIPpA+Pa9S9gWP8udVN/fzOseJgP8f9tFHZE5vGkaOMKLpHkV/dV vmt2eshocg== In-Reply-To: <87v8zk5d7t.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282495 Archived-At: Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg01900.ht= ml From: Po Lu Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 08:31:18 +0800 > We certainly have the same ability in Emacs.=C2=A0 I was able to develop = a > fully functional graphical port to Haiku in less than 2 months. I fail to see how this is accurate or relevant. > Refactoring for refactoring's sake never accomplishes much I don't know what refactoring for refactoring's sake is but; What I mention is primarily done to reduce manhours needed to achieve some things and and make new contributions easier/possible. If making changes take too long, it can also indicate that the project is d= ead. Or again from Neovim's example, could cause social issues, forks. Software engineering textbooks have more to say on the topic. > and why should we use C17?=C2=A0 What advantages does it hold? This is a legitimate question we can assess. Features like restricted pointers could improve performance? But I think the better question is what is the excuse for striving not to keep up with the latest language standard? (Assuming someone wants to work = on it.)