From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Development Speed Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:06:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Reply-To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39810"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 19 18:15:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myzm6-000AAG-FS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:15:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58564 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myzm4-00058F-Hp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:15:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myze9-0000DP-65 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:06:53 -0500 Original-Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:52436) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myze7-0005bN-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:06:52 -0500 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1FAFBF520 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:06:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1639933607; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=jLwPqr7ataK009ctc5GLACJO/bUG2ZWfaGOmsmz4vjs=; b=QokvcncYDPrGPEoHVr3N1EriqMpoqmExEI8CXKAw89kZTgNQzLpTXP3wp2ApaPcQ ZBB5zmhWkiH/oOFjUqrmQzjazRZJqimRcab72bu6AI7cYkpppKKbD6m0XxO6nzcGnhX /zGUwBB12UQruOr0cgyP5YP9DndhDV22GwK72z1rZMkanexF1qdyphk12yQoA+hM6Nc Ix0MRlMc45vi6LBRNf0qvnjoVKJ4LIEDuuKUXVnJU3CNbOeE0N8otXsUMHpPyk14Hj+ BqHMJVH/664tgze1GaOfQLAuECQm3r9ke7K8dKBtOgNaCZYwa6G6tmpBH5oRrzMzeUD 5NwJxxjdcg== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=xenodasein@tutanota.de; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282453 Archived-At: =C2=A0 Over some time now I have been trying to familiarize myself with Ema= cs code-base and to follow emacs-devel.=C2=A0 I have an observation I would li= ke to ask about, because of course I alone can not assess the level of it's valid= ity as a mere mortal who doesn't have the man-hours spent on Emacs internals. =C2=A0 Is Emacs developing too fast?=C2=A0 Contributions seem to focus on i= ncreasing code size rather than reducing it, on adding features and not on "paying technical debt"?=C2=A0 Maybe these tendencies oscillate healthily o= ver years and I only observed a period of the former. =C2=A0 Especially the graphical parts seem to suffer from high-coupling and low-cohesion?=C2=A0 Where for example the Neovim project seems to have the = ability to arbitrarily change what GUI implementation it uses. This mail seems to h= ave the same observation about GUI situation: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg01866.html =C2=A0 I couldn't find a "milestones" type of guide, and do not know of fut= ure plans except the ones in TODO file, so maybe there is something regarding t= o this topic? =C2=A0 Large-scale refactoring would make it possible to pursue TODO list i= tems like "Emacs as word processor" or "Concurrency", or allow us to use C17? Thoughts?