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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266781 Archived-At: Since opinions are explicitly being solicited, and since I have not encount= ered a particular point in my not-necessarily-comprehensive reading of this= thread, I'll add one: I use C-o (usually followed by C-n) many times a day, instead of , i= n order to suppress re-indentation of the current line in cases where that = re-indentation will be incorrect for my purposes**. Needing to hit C-o twice would make the workaround more painful. I expect = I would end up rebinding in my .emacs to restore the current behaviour. Also, I find myself nodding in agreement to the argument (apologies for not= recalling who made it in this thread) that as a long-standing and fairly '= basic' binding, it is in use in other editors that try to be Emacs-like. C= hanging the default behaviour here would introduce confusion to the world a= nd confound muscle memory. stephan(); ** Of course, addressing the indentation issue would be good, but that perp= etually remains a task for another day -- it's not a configurable behaviour= , and will require me to do substantial research into cperl mode to underst= and more. That said, even in cases not involving my oddly formatted perl, = auto-indentation seems generally accurate enough to keep using, and inaccur= ate enough to need a workaround multiple times daily. -----Original Message----- From: Emacs-devel On = Behalf Of Lars Ingebrigtsen Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 5:06 AM To: Gregory Heytings Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Suggested experimental test Gregory Heytings writes: > Well... the suggested experiment does not remove C-o, it changes C-o > in a way that is, I believe, painless.=20 Sorry; I didn't read the patch carefully. So it basically moves `C-o' to `C-o C-o' (and makes the `C-o' prefix open for new commands)? I don't use `C-o' myself, so I can't really say to what degree this would be annoying or not for users. Any `C-o' users who have an opinion here? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%= 3A%2F%2Flars.ingebrigtsen.no%2F&data=3D04%7C01%7CStephan.Mueller%40micr= osoft.com%7C6defb25382ae4b50aabc08d8ed2afd3e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011= db47%7C1%7C0%7C637520116190706836%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM= DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3DdsMofH= ZVHi9n24IzfOxmFyXFOEVpV9GttwoJ6kXtwWA%3D&reserved=3D0