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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:269515 Archived-At: --_000_MN2PR02MB5950F4DE8225D48DF077C8578C2A9MN2PR02MB5950namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, My name is Jacob Oury and I'm a doctoral candidate advised by Frank Ritter = (an original Dismal dev!) and I'm trying to get Dismal working on the lates= t version of EMACS. I've found a few issues, and I'm hoping you could provi= de some advice. I'll describe them below. 1. I believe Dismal V1.5 is missing a key file for running dismal. Per t= he description, the package should include a file called dismal-mode-defaul= ts.el, however this is not available in the elpa.gnu package repo. I was ab= le to work around this issue by acquiring a previous version of Dismal from= my advisor and manually loading that file. Without that, I am unsure if I = could get this package running. Per the Git records at http://git.savannah.= gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/log/?h=3Dexternals/dismal, it looks like that f= ile was deleted in update below. I think this may have broken the package a= nd I'm hoping to find out why that file was deleted. author Stefan Monnier 2013-06-06 16:20:37= -0400 committer Stefan Monnier 2013-06-06 = 16:20:37 -0400 commit 554819b2d3c2e3d4494845a23deffd7245349a56 (patch) tree c4b11570454318e4dba291c1732f18e8dc639a58 parent 18a2365ebc31e03bce64aa45227a5e6f5e869bad (diff) download elpa-554819b2d3c2e3d4494845a23deffd7245349a56.tar.gz General cleanup for GNU ELPA 2. Once I got the defaults loaded, I also am running into issues during = testing (dis-test-dismal). It initially runs, however, the test fails when = trying to insert a simple math equation into a cell: dis-edit-cell-plain((+ 2 3)) While running the test, the process fails with the message: "dismal-set-ce= ll-internals: Symbol=92s value as variable is void: index". I believe this = may be due to some effect of the outdated heaps.el package, however Frank's= version of Dismal (Dismal V1.4 running on Emacs 25.X, on MacOS) runs fine.= I'm using a Windows computer so that could play a role. When tracing the t= est through the debugger, it fails immediately following a call to heap-emp= ty with the info shown below. I'm still figuring out the debugger, and I do= n't have a more thorough printout of the trace at the moment. Debugger entered--entering a function: * command-error-default-function((void-variable index) "" dismal-set-cell-i= nternals) recursive-edit() ;;Debugger cleared most of its text once the void variable error occurs, so= the excerpts from immediately before the error are below this line and the= output from the debugger is above. * heap-empty([dismal-address-compare 1 0 [nil]]) * heap-member((3 . 0) [dismal-address-compare 1 0 [nil]]) * dismal-invalidate-cell((3 . 0)) * dismal-set-cell-internals(3 0 (+ 2 3) nil) * dismal-set-cell(3 0 (+ 2 3) nil) * dismal-edit-cell((+ 2 3) nil) I'm an EMACS novice (I generally work on the experimental cognitive psychol= ogy side of things while my labmates are more focused on using ACT-R for co= gnitive models), and so I may have made some missteps here, but I've been w= orking with Frank during some debugging and still not having any luck so I'= d appreciate any and all help you could provide on these issues. Thanks so = much! Best regards, Jacob D. Oury Doctoral Candidate in Informatics Applied Cognitive Science Lab Penn State College of Information Sciences and Technology --_000_MN2PR02MB5950F4DE8225D48DF077C8578C2A9MN2PR02MB5950namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, 

My name is Jacob Oury and I'm a doctoral candidate advised by Frank Ritter = (an original Dismal dev!) and I'm trying to get Dismal working on the lates= t version of EMACS. I've found a few issues, and I'm hoping you could provi= de some advice. I'll describe them below. 

  1. I believe Dismal V1.5 is missing a key file for running dismal. Per the= description, the package should include a file called dismal-mode-defaults= .el, however this is not available in the elpa.gnu package repo. I was able= to work around this issue by acquiring a previous version of Dismal from my advisor and manually loading that fil= e. Without that, I am unsure if I could get this package running. Per the G= it records at http://git.savannah.gnu.or= g/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/log/?h=3Dexternals/dismal, it looks like that file was deleted in update below. I think this may have= broken the package and I'm hoping to find out why that file was deleted.&n= bsp;
    author Stefan Monni= er <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> 2013-06-06 16:20:37 -0400
    committer Stefan Monni= er <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> 2013-06-06 16:20:37 -0400
    commit 554819b2d3c2e3d4494845a23deffd7245349a56 = (patch)
    tree c4b11570454318e4dba291c1732f18e8dc639a58
    parent 18a2365ebc31e03bce64aa45227a5e6f5e869bad = (diff)
    download elpa-= 554819b2d3c2e3d4494845a23deffd7245349a56.tar.gz
    * heap-empty([dismal-address-compare 1= 0 [nil]])
    * heap-member((3 . 0) [dismal-address-compare 1 0 [nil]])
    * dismal-invalidate-cell((3 . 0))
    * dismal-set-cell-internals(3 0 (+ 2 3) nil)
    * dismal-set-cell(3 0 (+ 2 3) nil)
    * dismal-edit-cell((+ 2 3) nil)

I'm an EMACS novice (I generally work on the experimental cognitive psychol= ogy side of things while my labmates are more focused on using ACT-R for co= gnitive models), and so I may have made some missteps here, but I've been w= orking with Frank during some debugging and still not having any luck so I'd appreciate any and all help you could= provide on these issues. Thanks so much!

Best regards,

Jacob D. Oury
Doctoral Candidate in Informatics
Applied Cognitive Science Lab
Penn State College of Information Sciences and Technology
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