From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: yarnton--- via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:38:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Reply-To: yarnton@tutanota.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76898_152767320.1601242692979" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25948"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 28 00:09:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMerK-0006f8-1O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 00:09:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50278 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMerJ-00056P-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMeN8-0000Co-RU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 17:38:18 -0400 Original-Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:50832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMeN7-0004s0-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 17:38:18 -0400 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0256FFA04A8 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:38:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1601242692; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=MVs8j32LyG4pLbXDUeixTsfPeNH3RWzW2dzpZUlMh78=; b=ENo5dJdtDzAljuzkYjlsdY5X8plVB2CxGxN8hSw5mAqUXPUdmkmxh4Cjn/CJwaJd 7jXw1cNP9b8TMaFuEjQbGHQm4B+urx3zYl35aO8RJEsjTYPYsc7hsnjl1CSbZZ3eGwm SZjYfuFrXInvV7Opq9+YL6gEfSc4z5glUfNN90KKEG+NTG1wT2U187C68MnskEhUfQ5 eLDFw5NRoQMo0wisB9aHc4iS6bplHOiwk2tltuYtGSmjN/8EuZ8oyFYaQKiJcycCHCu DJVW41HJ9CctfKlHA15Q7MQz0VZJk3cwldo/v46N6SiplzkFDMIWxbOp9gBISMlc+UL gyXP1vu5tw== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=yarnton@tutanota.com; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/27 17:38:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:08:25 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256556 Archived-At: ------=_Part_76898_152767320.1601242692979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was actually planning to post the same suggestion in the How to make Emacs popular again thread. Emacs is a bit unfriendly, even to advanced users, in this regard. There are some de facto conventions about keybindings, especially in programming modes. Enforcing said conventions a bit more strictly, either with some written guidelines or programmatically, would be a great step forward. As you have noted, Spacemacs and other customization layers do a good job at making the whole interface more consistent. ------=_Part_76898_152767320.1601242692979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I was actually planning to post the same suggestion in the How to make Emacs popular again thread.

Emacs is a bit unfriendly, even to advanced users, in this regard. There are some de facto conventions about keybindings, especially in programming modes. Enforcing said conventions a bit more strictly, either with some written guidelines or programmatically, would be a great step forward.

As you have noted, Spacemacs and other customization layers do a good job at making the whole interface more consistent.

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