From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: key-binding values Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:50:53 -0700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1126023383 8791 80.91.229.2 (6 Sep 2005 16:16:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 06 18:16:21 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECg63-0000lU-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:14:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECgAY-0002Hj-AL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:19:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ECg8a-0001sD-IQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:17:34 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ECg8Y-0001rP-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECg1N-0008Qt-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.32] (helo=rgminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECfmr-0004e4-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:55:05 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.49]) by rgminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j86FosAq003189 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:50:55 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j86Fos1i018000 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:50:54 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-81-65.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.81.65]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with SMTP id j86ForL7017991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:50:54 -0600 Original-To: "Emacs-Devel" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:42659 Archived-At: Consider these two definitions: (defcustom my-key [?\C-\ ] "My key sequence.") (defcustom my-key "\C- " "My key sequence.") `C-h v' then gives these values: [67108896] and "^@". Is this as good as can be expected - is there no way to get something more readable for [?\C-\ ]? Emacs users learn quickly to read "^@" as "control @", and they also learn that this is equivalent to "control SPC", but [67108896] is hard to read and digest. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the form [?\C- ] is generally preferred over the form "\C- ", for a key binding. If so, that makes matters worse in cases like this. This form is good: (defcustom my-key [(control ?\ )] "My key sequence.") `C-h v' then gives [(control 32)], which is even clearer than "^@".