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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251555 Archived-At: May 28, 2020, 12:04 by raman@google.com: > "Philip K." writes: > > > It's no more or no less intuitive than alt-F4 in "other platforms" that > people often label intuitive without thinking about it. > > And for the record, the insert/replace key is a carry-over from > DOS word-processors of the early 80's. > >> excalamus--- via "Emacs development discussions." >> > writes:=20 > >>> What does C-g mean? Why the sequence C-g specifically? I think the >>> disconnect may be that C-g appears outwardly meaningless. >>> >> >> I always assumed it was because C-g, when inserted literally had the >> same value as does the ASCII bell (BEL, or '\a' in C) character. When >> you open the "ascii" man-page on G and BEL even appear on the same >> line. So in some sense it's like C-m/C-i, that do the same as >> return/tab.=20 >> >> But I guess that's neither consistent, relavant or intuitive. >> These are excellent observations (and I always love the history I learn thr= ough being an Emacs user).=C2=A0 Arguably, 'C-g' is one of the most importa= nt keybindings/functions in Emacs.=C2=A0 It's unfortunate that there's not = a clear winner for a mnemonic.=C2=A0 "Get out" or "Get away" is the best I = can come up with for English.=C2=A0 I tried translating the following possi= ble interpretations to other languages (German, French, Spanish) and "giro"= ("turn" in Spanish, apparently) was the 'best'.=C2=A0=20 cancel escape abort terminate scrub curtail stop discontinue cease counteract redirect avert undo disengage avert deflect abstain divert reversal turnabout doubleback turnaround reverse repeal retract annul