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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249961 Archived-At: ------=_Part_7360_2085963799.1589288261004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 11, 2020, 23:12 by rms@gnu.org: > Perhaps there is no longer a need to inform the public of those > three basic capabilities of Emacs. > > Do Emacs's current competitors have the same capabilities? > > > You are reading about GNU Emacs, the GNU incarnation of the advanced, > > self-documenting, customizable, extensible editor Emacs.=C2=A0 > What are we competing for?=C2=A0 I feel that while other threads are examin= ing "missing features", it would be helpful to examine what GNU Emacs does = offer.=C2=A0 Not only in software features, but maybe also in philosophy, c= ommunity, or tradition. What is it about GNU Emacs that makes this mailing list bustle with enthusi= asm?=C2=A0 Other editors use GPL, provide source code, have documentation, = are customizable, and extendable.=C2=A0 There's something in how GNU Emacs = implements these that is different.=C2=A0 I feel like there are taters to f= ind if we dig a little. Is it because Emacs Lisp is unique to Emacs that Emacs teaches as well as d= ocuments? Is it that by being a pseudo-Lisp machine, Emacs puts users in the zone of = proximal development? Is GNU Emacs the best embodiment of the GNU philosophy?=C2=A0=20 ------=_Part_7360_2085963799.1589288261004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
May 11, 2020, 23:12 by rms@gnu.org:
Perhaps there is no longer a need to inform the publi= c of those
three basic capabilities of Emacs.
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Do Emacs's current competitors have the same capabilities?

> You are reading about GNU Emacs, the GNU in= carnation of the advanced,
> self-documenting, customizabl= e, extensible editor Emacs. 
What are we co= mpeting for?  I feel that while other threads are examining "missing f= eatures", it would be helpful to examine what GNU Emacs does offer.  N= ot only in software features, but maybe also in philosophy, community, or t= radition.

What is it about GNU Emacs that make= s this mailing list bustle with enthusiasm?  Other editors use GPL, pr= ovide source code, have documentation, are customizable, and extendable.&nb= sp; There's something in how GNU Emacs implements these that is different.&= nbsp; I feel like there are taters to find if we dig a little.

Is it because Emacs Lisp is unique to Emacs that Emacs tea= ches as well as documents?
Is it that by being a pseudo-Lisp = machine, Emacs puts users in the zone of proximal development?
Is GNU Emacs the best embodiment of the GNU philosophy? 
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