From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: list of elisp primitives ? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 03:22:07 +0900 Message-ID: References: <627F3815-987E-4E82-8118-EE559CA7721F@traduction-libre.org> <5E53A27C-7C86-4275-AC12-9799C3CB1956@traduction-libre.org> <701C773A-96C5-47FD-B75F-92947976E57B@traduction-libre.org> <153c262b-d4f6-4fc4-9fc2-57c58312ae1f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="67652"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 26 19:22:27 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ikXmD-000HRb-Bk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:22:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55806 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ikXmC-0008FL-6X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:22:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39397) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ikXm5-0008EV-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:22:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ikXm3-00089K-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:22:16 -0500 Original-Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:54957) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ikXm3-00088x-O9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 13:22:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [172.20.10.3] (KD182251133105.au-net.ne.jp [182.251.133.105]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C3126100003 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:22:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <153c262b-d4f6-4fc4-9fc2-57c58312ae1f@default> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.178.231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243671 Archived-At: > On Dec 27, 2019, at 3:09, Drew Adams wrote: >=20 > Don't confuse building blocks for implementing Lisp > in C with building blocks for defining Lisp in Lisp, > which I suspect is really what you're after: a set > of primitive Lisp constructs that can be used to > define the rest of the language. Well, I really don't want to redefine the language. I just want to do simple file i/o and error handling etc. without having = to worry about "and you can also do this and that by using that function = and by setting this variable you can also do that" which is what the = elisp reference is full of. In my attempt at inserting an xml block into a RSS feed, I was presented = with a number of different ways to do that, none corresponding to the = functions I'd have picked by reading the reference. Same for error = handling (and without help from the list I'd be stuck between sentences = trying to make sense of the reference). I'm fine with "there is more than one way to do it", but sometimes the = subtle differences don't make much sense. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune