From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Face color changes Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: References: <01c4ec3a$Blat.v2.2.2$24b7cc60@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104169626 26394 80.91.229.6 (27 Dec 2004 17:47:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 27 18:47:00 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CiyxQ-0005zL-00 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:47:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciz8E-0001O8-J6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:58:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciz7n-0001JG-8N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:57:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciz7j-0001Gz-Mj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:57:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciz7j-0001GY-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:57:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [148.87.2.204] (helo=inet-mail4.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CiyvW-0003i7-34; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:45:02 -0500 Original-Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iBRHiw87006843; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:44:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iBRHitr1006808; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iBRHivBI012020; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:44:57 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id iBRHiuQv012013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:44:56 -0700 Original-To: "Eli Zaretskii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01c4ec3a$Blat.v2.2.2$24b7cc60@zahav.net.il> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31465 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31465 Is anything wrong with "M-x customize-face RET"? It even has a convenient entry point from the buffer created by "M-x list-faces-display RET" (e.g., click mouse-2 on the face's name). No, nothing wrong with it. Everything is right with it. Some people are just loathe to customize, are intimidated by it, cannot figure out how to start, or are too lazy to try. We should make it as easy as possible, but there will always be some who don't get it. Heuristics to deal with light and dark (and perhaps medium) backgrounds are a real help in this regard: there is less to customize. Coming up with heuristics that work well in more cases is not easy, but would be helpful. In this regard, I think Juri is making a good start.