From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:12:50 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098202426 6099 80.91.229.6 (19 Oct 2004 16:13:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 19 18:13:35 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CJwcA-000331-00 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:13:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CJwjV-0006Ru-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CJwjJ-0006PE-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:20:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CJwjI-0006OL-Hm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:20:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CJwjI-0006Ng-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:20:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.229] (helo=agminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CJwbh-0006R4-Ea; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.10]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i9JGCphu028223; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:12:51 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i9JGCp5m032210; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:12:51 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-68-167.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.68.167]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i9JGCpxC032189; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:12:51 -0600 Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28608 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28608 Kim, you convinced me (at least). On mouse-face links, users can get by with other ways to select text, as you mention (drag, use keyboard etc.), so we could use mouse-1 for link & button clicks (as a user option). My only gripe was that the finger-1 pointer graphic didn't fit the mouse-2-click behavior, so if we changed to mouse-1, that would be fine. BTW, isn't the behavior you propose what we have already in Customize buffers? -----Original Message-----From: Kim F. Storm using mouse-2 is a serious flaw in the emacs user interface. For example, on my notebook, the touchpad doesn't have mouse-2, so I'm forced to click two mouse buttons Most other applications manage just fine to allow a user to use mouse-1 for both setting the point, marking a region, and following a link. My patch to mouse-drag-region-1 was a sample of how to do use mouse-1 in addition to mouse-2 to following links in emacs too. The only real problem is how to mark text in the middle of a link -- but IMO that's a much less frequent operation that following the link. And with my patch, you can actually still DRAG to mark, it's only the single click that doesn't just set the mark, but follows the link as well. I don't see ANY problem with that. At least, we could make it a user option