From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:31:05 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104948041 29230 80.91.229.6 (5 Jan 2005 18:00:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 05 19:00:30 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CmF3P-00078m-00 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:34:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CmFEf-0001uJ-CL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:46:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CmFE6-0001PM-R7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:45:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CmFE5-0001Nt-9G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:45:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CmFE4-0001Mc-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:45:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.228] (helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CmF04-00051d-GM; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:31:12 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j05HV9R2007191; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:31:09 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j05HV7SB007131; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:31:07 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j05HV6db028803; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:31:06 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j05HV597028796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:31:06 -0700 Original-To: , "Per Abrahamsen" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31900 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31900 > See the > Manual button I mentioned above, for instance: If we assume that Customize > users are to shun Lisp, then why send them to the Lisp manual for info on > how to code customize groups and such? Because there were no user manual for customize at the time the :link was added, and nobody have bothered to edit it since a customize section was added to the user manual. Please send a patch or a bug report. I changed that to point to Easy Customizations in the Emacs manual. I think that the "Help" button in the same buffer (not the "help" button, which goes to the parent group, "help") already points there. If we don't have a useful separate place for the "Manual" button to point, it should just be removed. As I mentioned, node Easy Customization in Info tells you a few things about how to customize variables, but it doesn't really tell you about the Customize UI. Because that UI is not yet ideal in terms of orientation, navigation, how-to-use, and information provided, I think that some Info doc on the Customize UI itself would be helpful.