From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Face color changes Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:16:35 -0800 Message-ID: References: <01c4ec05$Blat.v2.2.2$7e642360@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104167888 22537 80.91.229.6 (27 Dec 2004 17:18:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, Eli Zaretskii , miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 27 18:17:58 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CiyVJ-0004Dl-00 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:17:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciyg7-0006mD-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:29:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciyfh-0006ld-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciyff-0006kx-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:28:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ciyff-0006kf-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:28:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.228] (helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CiyUA-0003e9-2Y; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:16:46 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iBRHGfg8021822; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:16:41 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iBRHGdLe021777; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:16:39 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iBRHGcU5001340; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:16:38 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id iBRHGZuu001305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:16:35 -0700 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01c4ec05$Blat.v2.2.2$7e642360@zahav.net.il> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31462 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31462 Yes, now is not the time. Yes, the vanilla Emacs colors are often less than ideal for many backgrounds. Yes, it's difficult to find color heuristics that please most users on most displays most of the time. For after the release: I'd like to see trials of a third setting, for medium backgrounds. I use light backgrounds (LightBlue, LightSteelBlue, PaleGoldenrod, Thistle, LavenderBlush2), but in fact many "light" backgrounds work with both 1) faces that are lighter (but a different color) and 2) faces that are darker - they act effectively as "medium" backgrounds. In any case, I've never been able to take advantage of either the "light" or "dark" background settings. I'm one of those "sort of users [who] customized their faces long ago". To me, the most important thing is the ease of customizing. I've seen users making do with atrociously unreadable faces, just because they didn't want to bother figuring out how to change them. I don't know if there is an easy solution, but the problem is a real one. - Drew